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  ::                     - WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? -                    ::
  ::       The Weekly Digest for Canterbury Music Addicts         ::
  ::                          Issue # 20                          ::
  ::                  Monday, September 9th, 1996                 ::
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From: Julian Belanger <cookie@cwconnect.ca>
Subject: Just a couple questions!!!
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:22:27 -0700

Hi Rattlers,

Has anyone noticed plenty of Julians subscribed to this digest? COOL!
Anyway, the reason I'm babbling here is to find some info. on Keith
Tippett's band Mujician. Which recording is their best? I heard "Poem
about the Hero" was excellent. I'd like to see plenty of responses.
Please E-mail me.

Julian (from Canada)


From: Seinpro <seinpro@rtn.net.mx>
Subject : Caravan tab
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 18:36:40 -700

I would like to aquire a guitar tablature and the lyrics of the
Caravan's song "Memory lain, hugh", from the album "For girls who grow
plump in the night".
I¥ll really apreciate if you include it in yor page.

                                 thanks you....
                Carlos Bolivar
                Mexico city.


From: (Bill Maccormick)
Subject: various (Re: WR#19A)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 10:20 BST-1

[Dave Wayne wrote :]

>> in reply to :
>> 7) Early Soft Machine and Gong are great, the rest is crap
> This sort of opinion is total crap & is best left to mouldering old
> hippies!

Well, call me a mouldering old hippy if you like but I have some sympathy with view number 7.  Well, sort of.   It's not so much that everything else is 'crap' but a lot of it (especially post Robert leaving the Softs) doesn't have anything much to do with the original 'Canterbury' feel (ethos?).  Certainly, the band called 'Soft Machine' that we (Mole) toured with in 1972 in Holland and Belgium had precious little to do with the 1966-71 version in either feel or approach IMHO in spite of the presence of Ratledge and Hopper (and I may be wrong but I always felt Hugh wasn't over the moon about it either).   After that, when these two had left, the Soft Machine was just a brand label being passed around. To be honest, Robert always had a great grievance that the Softs retained the name when he left... when Mike and Hugh left the name should have died with them.  Instead it was just commercially exploited for what it was worth.  It had nothing to do with Canterbury... as did none of the musicians.   I didn't like their music either (you guessed didn't you?)

[Julian Christou wrote :]
> later a second album with a female vocalist
> ("Burning Buildings") which I really didn't care for too much (sorry
> Bill).

Don't worry, I had nothing to do with that one.  I didn't much care for
it either.

> I remember seeing a double LP (I don't know the country of origin)
> which purportedly had the complete Peter Hammill produced sessions on it.

Yes, the album put together, I think, with the co-operation of David Ferguson was called 'Avalanche' and (except for the extremely naff cover) contained everything we recorded over four weeks at Tittenhurst Park (John Lennon's old house... featured in the 'Imagine' film?) contains all of the Peter Hamill produced music.  It was the original (grandiose) double album idea that Polydor refused to release.

> Information about RH is hard to come across. Maybe Bill or someone could
> give us the full discography (with all tracks)

I can if you really want.  Do you REALLY want?

> and also does anyone know
> (Bill) if these recordings will see the light of day on CD?

If I ever win the national lottery it's my ambition to re-mix the RH Hamill stuff (oops, a bit of a give away there.  No, I didn't like the production), and, where appropriate, replace some tracks with the original  demo tracks recorded for Polydor (which featured the original 5 piece line-up - Dave Leach on drums and Simon Ainley (see Phil Manzanera's Listen Now album) on guitar and vocals) which are much better AND add the demos' we did post Polydor but which formed the basis of most of the set we played in support of Peter Gabriel in the USA in 1980. It's really for personal enjoyment but, OK, I win the national lottery I release a CD.  I can't say fairer than that, can I?

> Also Bill, I've really enjoyed your playing since I first heard the
> Matching Mole album when it first came out.

You're most kind :-)




From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Canterbury Tribute
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 15:59:13 -0400

DrOrb@aol.com [Rob Bennett] wrote in WR #19

> BTW, someone posted a query somewhere about the notion of doing a
> "Canterbury" tribute project... I have been thinking about this concept
> a lot, especially after I began to digest Steve Feigenbaum's Cuneiform
> project "Unsettled Scores". What a great idea! I look at classic "CB"
> music as being fair game for reinterpretation the way that classic jazz
> is...
> Steve, any interest in doing such a project? Any thoughts out there?
> Suggestions for groups to be contacted? Songs to be done?

Hi. It's a nice idea but too much work & for my mind, the idea of tribute
albums has been done to death. And usually done very poorly as well.

The idea behind "Unsettled Scores" was that it functioned as a label sampler
(for someone curious & wanting to have a sampling of our bands & only wanting
to buy one set to see if they liked the stuff) as well as a "tribute" to our
own artists.

I don't really want to get into a regular "tribute" album as such. But thanks
for thinking of us.

Steve F.

P.S. Tell Bill MacCormick I'll trade him live Wyatt Soft Machine for live
MacCormick Matching Mole or Quiet Sun!!


If it's good enough, maybe we can even release it!


From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: "Rogue Element"
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 15:59:16 -0400

In response to this being out on CD, Hugh Hopper, as well as a Japanese
source, have confirmed that Hopper/Dean/Gowen/Sheen's "Rogue Element" is
being reissued by Ogun within the next six months.

We'll certainly have them in stock, as will many other folks, I'm sure!

Lastly, re: Hugh Hopper's "1984", which we announced that we would be
reissuing in January. It has been delayed, as we need to verify that the
Mantra edition is DEFINITELY deleted and not available before we can bring
out our version. So, hopefully by late 1997. Our version is being mastered
off of the original session 1/2 track tapes, so the sound is great. It has a
bonus track, never before heard, & excellent new liner notes by Hugh that
explain about the making of the CD (&, unlike the old liner notes (1) make
sense & (2) don't credit wrong instruments to the wrong song(s) ["&, as if by
magic, a mellophone for MINITRUE" which we all know doesn't have a mellophone
on it...]

Look for Hugh's Hopper Tunity Box in 1997 too (probably not from us, BUT Hugh
has assured me that if the folks who have been taking all this time don't do
something with it reasonably soon, he will give it to Cuneiform for release -
so either way, it'll come out).

Steve F.


From: nickl@lsi-logic.co.uk (nick loebner)
Subject: Caravan gig in London
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 08:43:10 BST

> [Hastings-Richardson-Sinclair-Leverton-Coughlan]
> Oct 31 - Astoria, London

FYI - In Cahoots are second on the bill. Makes this a double-treat for
Canterbury fans.

- Nick.


From: drashcraft@juno.com (DAVID R. ASHCRAFT)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:49:22 EDT
Subject: Thanks!

I was quite amazed with the amount of Canterbury info generated within
one short week in the lazy month of August! I am grateful to my pal
Raymond Benson for putting you in contact with me.

In the event that you are interested, here is my "Canterbury Connection".
I did college radio shows featuring Canterbury, progressive, and fusion
sounds in Hartford, Ct. until 1985 (when I moved here to Chicago).  My
room mate and fellow DJ was no other than Michael Clare (of Gong tour
fame) and we still keep in touch.

I spent 1977/78 in Hull, England at University there and as a result saw
dozens of bands and met people like Dave Stewart who I interviewed (this
turned into a National Health article in a British fanzine). When Richard
Sinclair did his solo tour in 1994 I arranged the Chicago concert and put
up Richard & Heather at our house for a couple of days.

I am very interested to hear more about these strange and wonderful folks
who are part of your network. It's fun to know "What's Rattlin'"!

                                           Regards, David


From: "J.F. Verreault" <amnesie@accent.net>
Subject: A small query...
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 03:39:03 -0300


I'm glad I could find a Canterbury site on the net! Keep up the good work!

Do you know of any live tapes from Caravan (around "if I could") or Khan?
I'd do anything to get my hands on one of those, and I have stuff to trade...

Also, do you know if the Drury Lane 1974 Wyatt concert was _professionally_
recorded, or is the "las Vegas Fandango" the only remaining document from
that concert? If a professional copy exists, we should do everything in our
power to get it released! (and it might be possible, since record company
execs in the UK actually still _REMEMBER_ Robert Wyatt!!!)

Bye for now,

JF Verreault

[The Drury Lane concert was *definitely* recorded by Virgin, as proves the version of "Calyx" (with perfect sound, and excellent backing by Dave Stewart, Hugh Hopper and Laurie Allen) on the recent "Going Back A Bit" double-CD on Virgin. Does anyone have an e-mail address to send Virgin (or whatever big company has absorbed it) a mass request for a CD release !!! - AL]


From: rvs@crosfield.co.uk (Robert Smith)
Subject: Holdsworth/Gong
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:03:20 +0100 (BST)

Aymeric. Please could you tell me which Gong albums Alan Holdsworth plays on?
I think "Gazeuse" may be one of them and maybe another one.

["Gazeuse !" (aka "Expresso" in the US) is the only Gong album on which Allan is a full-time member. However, he kept playing occasional gigs and guesting at sessions when the band became Gong-Expresso, then Pierre Moerlen's Gong. So he is featured quite prominently on "Expresso II" (78) & plays a short (and very strange) solo on "Arabesque" from the 1979 album "Time Is The Key" by PMG. And of course he plays on a few tracks on the excellent Gongzilla album from last year - AL]




From: Al Stann <astann@one.net>
Subject: Caravan/Canterbury Page
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:39:10 -0700

This is fantastic!!!  I happened to run a search on Caravan today and this is what I found.  I can't tell you what a joy it is to find not only a Home Page for the band I have loved for 26 years (I didn't "find" Caravan until 1970) but a Canterbury Page listing Hatfield, Soft Machine, Egg etc.

Also, could you get me info on obtaining "Live 1990" and "All Over You" CDs or cassettes?  I still listen to "If I Could Do It All Over Again" with my favorite track being "With An Ear To The Ground" mini suite although everyone talks only about "For Richard" from this disc.  David's organ riff in "Ground" is one of his best.  I concur on "Land of Grey and Pink"...the definitive Caravan offering to date.  "Girls" was also very interesting although lacked the emotional intensitiy of previous offerings.  Then, it was hit and/or miss for me.  A good track here or there from this disc or that...not that whole "gotta listen to every note" that was present for me on Discs 3 and 4 especially.  But, still I was a loyal fan.  Even the Hatfield tracks on Caravan of Dreams were interesting.  Anyway, it's great to see this page.  I'll check back often...it's been bookmarked.  Thanks in advance for the disc purchasing info.

Al Stann


From: Vernon Fitch <Vernon_Fitch@notes.cch.com>
Subject: Videos, Soft Machine recordings and more
Date:  5 Sep 96 15:39:59

I was just sorting through the past few WR digests and there were a few posts
that I wanted to respond to.

Aymeric mentioned seeing a video of the Soft Machine on a German TV show. I
was wondering if anyone has a copy of this as I'd very much like to see it.
(Even if it's only 30 seconds or so) I have been collecting videos for many
years and  have some interesting ones, including some early Soft Machine, a
few different Robert Wyatt videos, Caravan, Gong/Daevid Allen, etc.

Someone asked about live Soft Machine recordings from 1973-1976. I was very
heavily into collecting live recordings during the 1970s as the concerts were
happening and have quite a few live Soft Machine recordings from that period
(as well as Gong, Kevin Ayers, Henry Cow, etc., etc.). I have assembled my
collection into a booklet called A Collectors Guide to Soft Machine/Gong/Henry
Cow and related bands, and I have copies available at cost. If interested,
drop me a line. I welcome inquiries from the musicians. I have, in the
past, helped out the bands and Record Companies with various projects.

As for the gigs Robert did with Henry Cow in 1975. I have recordings of all
three of the concerts (they are listed in my Guide), and I have to say they
were all excellent. I'd love to see them released.

Finally, someone asked about Soft Machine bootlegs. Although certain CDs have
been mentioned, there were some interesteng vinyl bootlegs released prior to
the CD phase. My personal favorite is the triple Kralingen Festival boot. from
Germany. It has one whole side of the Soft Machine live at the festival (it
also includes a side of the Pink Floyd). There was also a double LP called
Canterbury Tapes with a variety of bands (such as the Kevin Ayers w/Gong BBC
show, etc.) I also have a tape of an Italian acetate/boot. of the Soft Machine
live from, I believe, the 1971 period.

Keep on Rattlin'

Vernon Fitch
Pink Floyd Archives
P.O. Box 13844
St. Petersburg, FL  33733


From: John Baker <JBaker@GSINet.net>
Subject : (none)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:43:55 -0400


I located a Planet Gong newsgroup recently and was reminded of many
mindless and happier days long ago.  Used to listen to many of the bands on
your site (Henry Cow, Radio Gnome Invisible, Nat'l Health, Hatfield,
Matching Mole, etc.)

But t'was a long long time ago, in Boston!

Now, I live on the Seacoast of New Hampshire, have no place to play my
vinyl, and fewer places to purchase music of any kind (Camel?)

Point of this note:  Do you know of any retailers in Portsmouth New
Hampshire or perhaps Durham or Exeter that carry Canterbury product?

If so, would you please post reply to group or write me directly?

John M. Baker
Stratham, NH


From: Teatse Vogelaar <vogelaar@epsilon.nl>
Subject: Canterbury update
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:23:47 +0200

Hello there, Aymeric

Things work out fine here and I've got the idea that people read your page
very well. All the cheaper hotels are full.

Some extra information;
The campsite also has a pension facility and there is a very large sleeping
room (a ward ?) for some 20 people.
Hotels I forgot to mention;
Hotel STEENEN MAN, Caspar de Roblesdijk 26, 8751 TJ Zurich (0)517 579282,
and Hotel Heerenlogement, Franekereind 23, 8861 AA Harlingen (0)517 415846.

There is a slight possibility that a boat will dock near the Havenplein.
There are sleeping places for lots of people. I will only give the guy's
phone number. He's not sure yet, but if people start calling...
GOMES (0)517 419444 and mobile (0)6 52914565.

There was a lovely article in the Harlinger Courant, about Richard
rehearsing with the schoolchildren. Gives extra promotion.


[I also got a definitive schedule for the festival in the (snail) mail today. It starts on Saturday 21st at 4pm (Richard Sinclair with schoolboy choir). Stips will be on at 8.30pm, Hopper's Band at 9.45pm, and Sinclair's Band at 11pm. On Sept 22nd, English breakfast at 12pm, various small gigs until 2.30pm, and David Rees-Williams' performance on church organ at 3pm. And that's it... - AL]


From: "David McKenzie" <dmack1@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: [Canterbury Discography] Anthony Moore
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2096 07:18:24 -0400

Anthony Moore [ex-Slapp Happy/Henry Cow] has released three (as far as I know) LPs as A More (a pun which should be obvious to you)

They are:

"Flying Doesn't Help"
"World Service"
"The Only Truth"

There were also a couple singles and a 12" that I know of.
If you want further details, please ask.
I no longer have "World Service", but am looking again, "Flying Doesn't Help"
is available on CD (brilliant)



[I was not quite sure whether these albums were within the scope of "Canterbury Music"... where should we draw the line ?... BTW, "Flying Doesn't Help" (CD on Voiceprint) has a cover of "War" - AL]


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*               FORTHCOMING CANTERBURY-RELATED CONCERTS                 *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

[for more info : check out the 'Concerts' page of CALYX - see URL below]

[Bon Lozaga, Hansford Rowe, Vic Stevens]
Sep 14 - Orion Progressive Rock Showcase, Baltimore
Sep 20 - Middle East, Philadelphia, Pa.
Sep 21 - Down to Earth, Mt. Holly, N.J.
Sep 25 - Cafe Tattoo, Baltimore, Md.
Sep 26 - The Saint, Asbury Park, N.J.
Sep 27 - Iota, Arlington, Va.
Sep 28 - D&S Coffehouse, Warrenton, Va.
Oct  4 - Middle East, Philadelphia, Pa.

Sep 21 - Richard Sinclair Band [feat.Coe, Meyer, Rees-Williams]
         Hugh Hopper's Franglodutch Band
         Stips [new band fronted by ex-Supersister leader RJ Stips]
Sep 22 - various Canterbury-related activities
         incl. Richard Sinclair solo & David Rees-Williams on pipe organ

Sep 28 - Queen Elizabeth Hall, London

Oct 10   Club Soda, Montreal
Oct 11/12 Le D'Auteuil, Quebec City
Oct 15 Mama Kins, Boston
Oct 16 Tramps, NYC
Oct 17 Club Bene, Sayerville, NJ
Oct 18, Club Washington, DC
(more TBA)

CARAVAN & IN CAHOOTS (double bill)
Oct 31 - Astoria, London

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