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  ::                     - WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? -                    ::
  ::       The Weekly Digest for Canterbury Music Addicts         ::
  ::                          Issue # 12                          ::
  ::                  Wednesday, July 17th, 1996                  ::
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From: Marcelo Spindola Bacha <dronsz@gta.ufrj.br>
Subject: Aqsak Maboul/Hermeto Pascoal
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:11:21 -0300 (EST)

> From: Michael Bloom <MHB@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Subject: Bands that sound like...
> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 19:34:50 EDT
> The first Aqsak Maboul album, "Onze Danses pour Combattre la Migraine", has
> some remarkably Hatfieldish parts. So does the one record I've heard by a
> group called Cos, which was Marc Hollander's band before he formed Aqsak.

I think that all the first three Cos album are worth a listen
(Postaeolian Train Robbery, Viva Boma and Babel). The first one was released
by Musea, which was supposed to release the other ones, too. The French
Rock Discography lists Viva Boma as released by Musea in Cd format, also,
in 1994.

[This reissue has been delayed. As Bernard Gueffier is on the list, perhaps
he could be more specific ? - A.L.]

BTW, these albums remind me more of Zao than Soft Machine, not only for the
vocals, as many like to say, but for the music itself.

> And I'm positive I've heard music by Brazilian maniac jazz composer
> Hermeto Pascoal that has certain similarities, but as I'm only just
> beginning to learn that stuff, I don't know any titles.
> [I too noticed certain similarities between Pascoal and Hatfield, of
> course because of his use of the Fender Rhodes electric piano and some
> similarly crazy rhythmic structures ! - A.L.]

Hermeto is a great musician, no doubt. You should see his live shows,
much better than the recorded stuff. He always plays with the best
musicians available. I'm not sure about all this Hatfield similarities,
but I would recommend some albums for the Canterbury lovers:
"Zabumbe-bum-a" (side one really reminds me of Zao)
"Slaves Mass" (also released in CD format and outside Brasil)
"Ao Vivo" (dbl, live at the Montreux Jazz, killer!)
The other albuns are excellent too, but some of them have too much
brazilian rythms to fit the general taste.

We have a goot tradition in jazz-rock and drummers, and there are also
dozens of other good albuns that would sound good for a Canterbury fan.
My personal preference is Grupo Um, they have three albuns: Marcha Sobre a
Cidade, Reflexoes Sobre a Crise do Desejo (the best one) and A Flor de
Plastico Incinerada. All three are very good, but unfortunately none of
them was released in CD format (although the first one was also released
in France).

All the best,


From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Phil Miller "Cutting Both Ways"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:35:52 -0400

Jose.Douglas@turner.com writes:

> BTW, anybody know where I can get Phil Miller CD's? Ordered "Cutting
> both Ways" from Cuneiform Records eons ago and never got it.

He may have ordered it, but he didn't order it from *US*. It most certainly
*is* in print & available.

Perhaps he tried to order it from a store & they couldn't be bothered to
special order it from him.

If he tried to order it from CD Now or any of those other services online
that claim to be able to "get any title", these guys have a really nasty
habbit of telling  people that a title that they can't get (because the few
distributors they deal with don't happen to carry the label in question) has
been "deleted". It made me especially happy when they announced to several
customers that Doctor Nerve's "Skin" had been deleted within two weeks of
it's release!

For the record, ALL Cuneiform CDs are currently in print with the exception
of Kombinat M "Hybrid Beat", which we hope to repress within 12 months.



From: "Lisa Shannon" (at ashp) <lisanico@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: WR#11
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:57:20 -0400 (EDT)

> From: Michael Bloom <MHB@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Subject: Bands that sound like...
> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 19:34:50 EDT
> The first Aqsak Maboul album, "Onze Danses pour Combattre la Migraine" [...]

What label is this on???  Sounds pretty intriguing.

> heard 801 (not 401), what does it sound like ? - A.L.

Isn't that just referring to the lineup from "801 Live"- they performed
material by Quiet Sun, Manzanera, Eno.  I don't think Manzanera's next
solo albums were recorded as "801" to my recollection.  (I used to have
them but I sold them 'cuz I thought they were kind of overproduced.)

[There were two 801 albums : the first one was a live album recorded at
the Royal Albert Hall in London in sept. 1976. The line-up was Manzanera,
Brian Eno, Lloyd Watson (g), Francis Monkman (k), Bill McCormick (b) and
Simon Phillips (d). Then in the summer of '77, a studio album was recorded
with lots of guests (16) : "Listen Now !". Then there was another tour
in the autumn, with a line-up of Manzanera, McCormick, Simon Ainley (g),
David Skinner (k) and Paul Thompson (d). But Roxy Music eventually refor-
med and Manzanera's later albums were strictly solo affairs - A.L.]

> BTW, is this a nostalgia wave for Canterbury music or has this level of
> interest been maintained from the start?
> Tony Brower

That's a good question - I know I've been into it all along, but who
knows.  Maybe the best way to determine this is:  are we all old farts
like me or are there some college students or something on this list who
got into it later?

> My name is Charlie Nolan. I've been a fan of Caravan's since 1975.the last
> time I saw them live was the Cunning Stunts album tour! I was at the Phila

Thank you for mentioning that!  I was listening to the Cows' "Cunning
Stunts" the other day and was going nuts because I knew there was already
a record from the 70's with that name, but I couldnt for the life of me...

> have actually visited these pages. Once again, everyone's help will be
> useful. We've already gone a long way !...
> Aymeric

Some day I'll have a Web browser, and then I'll happily look at it!!!

[Sorry if that seemed aggressive. I naively assumed everyone had access
to the WWW... - A.L.]

Enjoy all - Lisa


From: rec@terraport.net (Bob)
Subject: Dave Stewart
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:37:19 -0400

Hi folks,

I've been reading this list for a few weeks now. I find it very informative
and the people corresponding quite knowledgeable in the Canterbury music
scene. I was surprised when I first came across the CALYX web page, to the
number of groups I listen to that are part of the Canterbury scene.

I do have a question though, regarding Dave Stewart. Is there more than one
Dave Stewart, or is this the same gentleman that has played in the
Eurythmics, with Barbara Gaskin, National Health, Hatfield and the North,
etc? I keep seeing the name but am unsure whether it is the same person or
two people with the same name. Can someone help me out here?

        Thanks Bob...


From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Bad News - N. Health CD delayed
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:56:52 -0400

Hello all,

I just spoke with East Side Digital who have informed me that due to some
small errors in the printing, that "Missing Pieces" will NOT be issued next

They hope that it won't be a long delay, BUT it will be delayed. (My guess is
4-6 weeks, but that's just a guess on my part).

And I'm trying to wrangle an advance copy for Aymeric, so that he can post
*his* opinions on the whole thing. He'll certainly let you all know if I'm

Steve F.


From: mike@plato.museum.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: Canterbury-influenced/similar bands
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:06:00 -0500


>Could you all help me to compile a comprehensive list of all known
>Canterbury-influenced or (very) similar bands. I listed a few that I
>know of, but this is VERY far from being complete.

I haven't checked the list yet so don't know if you already have this, but
Vanessa are fairly obscure.  Very Soft Machine in sound, in circa _5_.
I'll try to take a look at your list soon (or is it short enough so far
that you could e-mail me a copy) and I'll see what else I might have that
would fit.

[My list so far consists of : Ain Soph, Area, Arti + Mestieri, Bonfire,
Cartoon, Circus, Contrepoint, Cos, Edition Speciale, French T.V., Grits,
However, Kultivator, Moving Gelatine Plates, The Muffins, Myrbein, Ozric
Tentacles, Samla Mammas Manna, Supersister, and Ken Watson... All of these
are not necessarily VERY "canterburian", so perhaps we could divide them
in several groups depending of their degree of "canterburiness" ?!? (hi
Mark !) - A.L.]

Vanessa:  Black and White (1976) [Norway]

 1) Sun Walk                             Undseth
 2) Summer Poem                          Undseth
 3) Street Talk                          Undseth
 4) Fragmomentum                         Holm

    Svend Undseth                   Saxes, Flute, Alto Clarinet, Guitar
    Thorsten Dulsrud                Drums
    Frode Holm                      Piano, Synthesizer, String Ensemble,
    Harald Salater                  Bass, Boxes

    Svend Undseth, Frode Holm                     Producer(s)




From: Michael Bloom <MHB@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Ruminations on 801 Live
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:04:47 EDT

How to describe 801 Live? An attempt to use the vocabulary of arena rock
intelligently? An odd project that stands in relation to Eno's rock songs
much the same way The Lodge relates to Henry Cow?

Anyway, Manzanera and Eno put together this band to play three live gigs:
Manzanera on lead guitar, Francis Monkman (ex-Curved Air) on keyboards,
Bill MacCormick (ex-Quiet Sun, Matching Mole) on bass and backing vocals,
Simon Phillips (then a 17 year old double bass drum wunderkind) on drums,
Eno on enossification and vocals, and-- dang, I can't remember his name,
this other guy who sang lead and played rhythm guitar and a little slide.

There are tunes from all over Manzanera's career, except no Roxy titles.
One of the most interesting is "East of Asteroid," which begins with the
13/8 intro from Quiet Sun's "Mummy was an Asteroid..." and then runs into
some of the Diamond Head licks. For songs with vocals, they did Charles
Hayward's "Rongwrong" (Quiet Sun), Eno's "Third Uncle" (sounds like the
encore, real frenetic), that sort of thing. There's a cover of "Tomorrow
Never Knows," considerably slower than the original, with a continuous
arpeggio from Monkman and a complicated shuffle groove from the rhythm
section. There's also a nasty version of "Miss Shapiro" with Beefhearty
choppy chords and near-silences, that flows into a pretty faithful "You
Really Got Me" (Kinks!)-- I love that bit.

Never heard the CD of it. There's a performance of "Sombre Reptiles" on
the LP, which fades out at the end of the first side. They wouldn't need
to do that on the CD, but when it existed it was back in the days when
it was usually considered good enough to just clone the LP.

Some of this material appears on The Manzanera Collection, a double CD
of miscellany-- and they dug up another tune from the concert, "Fat Lady
of Limbourg." There's also a boot of this band in circulation, but it's
pretty awful in sound, especially the vocals. (Either they had monitors
of incredible quality for the gig on the record, or they re-recorded all
the vocals in the studio.)

Charles Hayward from Quiet Sun subsequently made brilliant records with
This Heat, Camberwell Now, and Les Batteries (a group of all drummers!),
as well as at least three solo albums. He's also appeared on projects
like Heiner Goebbels' The Man in the Elevator. Bill MacCormick joined
Random Hold, a group I never liked very much (they bored me to tears
when they opened for Peter Gabriel circa "Games Without Frontiers").
I have never heard of anything else keyboardist Dave Jarrett did.

[And whatever became of McCormick after Random Hold ? Facelift supposedly
has an interview with him coming up, so let's wait... - A.L.]


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