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Dear Rattlers,
I wasn't expecting to take so much time following up last
issue, but it has proved difficult finding the time to do
everything I had planned to do. Anyway, here it is. In the
meantime, this has been a busy month, Canterbury-wise, with lots
of exciting shows here in Paris - Daevid Allen's University of
Errors, two sold-out nights of the 'Tribute to Soft Machine' show
with Hugh Hopper and special guest Elton Dean, a magnificent John
Greaves 'jazz songs' concert with Sophia Domancich on piano and
Vincent Courtois on cello... I'm sorry I'm not able to review
these in detail. Suffice it to say that our heroes are on top form
and this music is still vibrant and vital to a lot of people.
Which leads me to a brief apparte - I have heard, as some
of you probably did, from Jonny Greene of GAS, that the London
show by University Of Errors with Richard Sinclair opening, next
Tuesday, was in danger of being cancelled because of unsufficient
ticket sales (read Jonny's message further below). Having seen
UofE twice in the last month, and enjoyed these concerts very much
indeed, I urge everyone within travelling distance of London to
try and make it. With the added bonus of Richard playing a fine
duo set with the excellent David Rees-Williams on piano this is
not to be missed.
Last but not least, you may be aware that a new live
Matching Mole CD, "March", has recently come out on Cuneiform.
This is a fantastic live set, I urge everyone to check it out (I
didn't write any liner notes for it, so there is no amount of
self-promotion in there), and I hope to get reviews of it for
inclusion in the next WR.
Aymeric
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"PROGMAN COMETH" IN SEATTLE - A REVIEW (PART TWO)
This second evening concluded with the festival headliner,
then known as Soft Ware. I understand this name has now changed to
Soft Works, but the members of this Canterbury supergroup remain
the same - Elton Dean, Allan Holdsworth, Hugh Hopper and John
Marshall. Although they have already recorded their debut album in
London in June, this was their first-ever live performance
together.
Given the low amount of time they've actually spent
together, it is impressive how this band has quickly found its
feet and risen above being merely the sum of its parts, creating
its own musical identity. In a way this was to be expected, with
four such strong personalities. This is precisely what made
classic Soft Machine so great - each member being a unique
exponent of his instrument, with an instantly recognisable style
and sound.
Soft Ware/Works create their music from a rather sparse
musical framework, using themes, chord sequences and bass riffs as
a platform for individual and collective improvisation. The
opening number was exemplary in this respect, being a reworking of
Elton Dean's classic "Seven For Lee", retitled "Seven Formerly",
from which only the 7/4 bass motif remained - yet it effortlessly
extended to 16 minutes of intense interplay. What struck me
immediately was the amazing strength and authority of John
Marshall's drumming, from the first drum roll. I have since seen
John perform with the classic John Surman Quartet (sadly, John
told me ECM show no interest in recording a new album) and these
qualities were demonstrated even more impressively.
Of course the key element in the band's chemistry was
going to be Elton and Allan's ability to establish a fruitful
dialogue as soloists. At first they seemed to follow the jazz rule
of soloing one after the other, although there was more than just
that going on, as Allan laid down some very beautiful harmonic
layers behind Elton's soloing; but there was a moment at the end
of "Abrakadabra" (a Hopper tune formerly known as "Spans") when
they seemed to reach a level of almost telepathic interplay.
Hugh's bass playing, creating as it does a lot of space, was the
perfect catalyst for that to happen.
The band played almost all of the material from their
forthcoming album, omitting only Elton's funky "Willie The Knee",
and adding as encore the only Soft Machine classic played that
night, a very spontaneous version of "Facelift", which Elton and
Hugh launched into at Allan's visible surprise and puzzlement. It
turned out that Allan had never played that tune (and possibly
never heard it!), yet he pulled out one of his amazing,
lightning-fast solos during the middle part. Elton did a great job
alternating between alto (mainly), saxello (occasionally) and
Fender Rhodes piano. The arrangement worked better than I would
have thought; the overall sound was always full, thanks to both
Allan's support job (something he doesn't do very often but is
actually very good at) and Elton's comping; and the changes in
instrumentation didn't seem forced, they just made for a greater
variety.
All in all, a performance that did not disappoint, and
suggested even greater things for the future.
Sunday
In Cahoots
Phil Miller's band, which celebrates its twentieth
anniversary this year, had never performed in the US before. So it
was somewhat logical that the setlist for this appearance should
resemble a 'best-of' of its career to date. It included one or two
tracks from each album, with the notable exception of "Recent
Discoveries", which seems to have grown out of favour with its
composer since its release.
Some of the pieces dated back to the very early days of In
Cahoots - "Above And Below" (with, as introduction, a guitar/piano
duo version of Alan Gowen's "Arriving Twice", an affectionate nod
at the late keyboard player), "Your Root 2" and "Second Sight" -
all performed on the band's 1983/84 BBC sessions - were
supplemented by the amazing "Green & Purple Extract" / "Hic
Haec Hoc" / "A Simple Man" medley, clocking in at almost 20
minutes, which was a sort of dream choice as opener as far as I'm
concerned - I'd been dying to see InCa perform this one day!
The last two albums were represented with the intimistic
"ED Or Ian" from "Parallel", and a surprising sextet arrangement
of "Delta Borderline" from "Out Of The Blue" - one of the two
pieces of that album which didn't have horns on them. This served
to show Phil's compositions' malleability, as did the enriched
arrangements of "Above And Below" and "Hic Haec Hoc".
Old stuff, then (I understand Phil has a substantial
backlog of material waiting to be rehearsed and recorded, though),
but a major element of novelty too - for the first time ever, In
Cahoots performed with a drummer other than Pip Pyle. Earlier this
year, Phil and Pip decided to go their separate ways for a while
and concentrate on their respective projects, so Mark Fletcher has
now filled the spot. Mark is an experienced player in various
fields (his main Canterbury credentials being previous
collaborations with guitarist John Etheridge), and he did an
awesome job considering he'd (1) never heard the music before
rehearsing it; (2) begun band rehearsals two days before the show;
(3) was still sight-reading charts during the performance !! On a
couple of occasions, I found his playing not entirely adequate
(you can't beat Pip on "Above And Below", for instance), but I
heard no mistakes, and Mark even had the guts to embark on an
impromptu battle with Pete Lemer's synth on the intro and outro to
"Your Root 2" - to Phil's visibile hilarity ! Mark proved himself
an immaculate musician, a great performer and all-around great guy
(he and Jim Dvorak certainly make up a great comic duo !). We'll
surely miss Pip but Mr. Fletcher is as good a replacement as we
could possibly hope for.
Daevid Allen's University of Errors
The succession of In Cahoots and UoE on that final evening
of the festival served to illustrate the amazing variety of
musical idioms contained within the "Canterbury school" tag. With
University Of Errors, there was an aspect of "back to the roots",
with a very rock'n'roll energy and the inclusion of a number of
classic early Soft Machine songs, plus the presence of Kevin Ayers
for the final third of the set. Having seen UoE again in Paris
three weeks after Seattle, I must however say that this group is
in no way a nostalgia trip. There is a very modern energy and
attitude to the band, and old and new material is combined into a
very coherent and consistent whole.
University Of Errors is in many ways a rockier, less spacy
version of Gong, as demonstrated with the new version of "Pothead
Pixies", which is played almost twice as fast and with incredible
energy. Josh Pollock is an incredible guitarist, with a very
distinctive personality, playing with the apparent disregard for
technique of a punk musician, yet delivering some pretty complex
work with great precision. The Seattle gig added an extra element
to his show since he broke two strings, and made the process of
replacing them an integral part of the event !! Jason Mills,
although he looks like a 15-year-old kid, was similarly
impressive, a great combination of strength and subtlety. Finally,
Michael Clare (who doubles as the group's road manager) is a very
solid bass player, an anchor, exactly what the music requires.
UoE played a large selection of numbers from their new
album "Ugly Music For Monica", including a re-vamped "So What?",
the classic Miles Davis theme that Daevid had already covered on
his 'jazz' album "Eat Me Baby, I'm A Jellybean". One of the best
and funniest moments in the performance came when Josh introduced
a cover of King Crimson's progrock masterpiece "21st Century
Schizoid Man", with suitably altered lyrics. The parody was
seemingly aimed at what presented itself as a "prog" festival, but
was only partly appropriate since Progman Cometh featured very
little of the overblown, pompous side of prog which the song aimed
at deflating.
The last third of the set was very special since the
quartet were joined by Kevin Ayers on vocals and rhythm guitar for
a few songs. This turned out to be a very nice moment, albeit
rather short. Kevin began proceedings with a new song, which
surprised many of us, but a new album does seem to be on the way
for the not-too-distant future… Classic songs followed - the
beautiful "Hymn", once co-sung by Robert Wyatt, and a few old Soft
Machine songs like "Clarence In Wonderland", "Feelin' Reelin'
Squealin'" (Kevin and Daevid sharing lead vocals - a great sight!)
and "Jet Propelled Photographs". It was nice to see this sort-of
Canterbury festival end on a reference to where, and with whom, it
all began.
There were a couple of footnotes to this final evening -
first, University Of Errors were joined by Richard Sinclair for a
rendition of "O Caroline". I thought this would be unique to the
festival, but UoE re-did it (without Richard of course) on the
Paris concert. Finally, what had been planned as a one-hour jam
between all participating musicians was reduced, due to time
restrictions, to a 10-minute blow by an ad-hoc group of Elton
Dean, Jim Dvorak, Patrice Meyer (using Kevin Ayers' guitar!) and
Fred Baker with, on drums, the man who has to be thanked for those
three days of musical delight, Jerry Cook. The jam was energetic
and intense and all participants visibly enjoyed the occasion. One
amusing sight was to see some of the technical crew add additional
cymbals and toms to the drum kit throughout the brief performance
- Jerry was playing Jason Mills' rather simple kit, and this was
apparently far below Jerry's requirements as a drummer!!
Thus ended the first edition of Progman Cometh, hopefully
to be followed by many others. Obviously the word-of-mouth from
those in attendence has been excellent, and hopefully in the
future there will not only be excellent music from talented
musicians, but also the attendance level such an event deserves.
There is only this far to go to reach (near) perfection. Keep up
the good work, lads!!
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From: "Christopher Clow"
<cosmocasablanca@earthlink.net>
Subject: Progman Cometh
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:59:55 -0700
Hello, Aymeric,
I'm really pleased that you were able to experience the
show. Our personal views were very different, for many reasons.
I'm just a fan who saw SOFT MACHINE open for THE JIMI HENDRIX
EXPERIENCE on Aug. 28, 1968, and became a fan of the Canterbury
genre, but I've recently learned that I missed a lot of the
development of the scene in the last couple decades. Here's my
brief review of the festival:
Fri: 8/16/02,7 PM
GLASS Well, I guess they were great, but I was astonished
by the appearance during the 2nd song by Elton Dean, who played
the best solo of the festival by my ears, probably because it was
unexpected. I think they used the mellotron on one song, then it
disappeared for the rest of the fest. What's that all about?
HUGHSCORE: Why couldn't we have had them for a while
longer? Elaine de Falco was wonderful singing Robert Wyatt, I was
just getting warmed up when Hugh said "We're going to do a short
set because Pip Pyle needs a lot of space". The best band of the
night, absolutely.
PIP PYLE''S BASH: I'd never heard of Patrice Myer before.
People warned me that he would change my concept of
guitar-playing, and they were right. I really have no other strong
memories of this set. Just that he was like a science-fiction
creation of man/guitar machine. Bsically, the first night
was great. The sound was fine, if you had the brains to sit in the
right part of the theatre. I sat in the first row a lot, so the
sound was overbearing, but I moved around alot, and found all the
usual differences. Of course, if you sit underneath the balcony,
it's all compressed; move up 3 rows and it sounds great.
Sat. Afternoon, HAMSTER THEATRE, I overslept and
missed @ 20 minutes of this set. Big Mistake. This band is
brilliant. "We've been together for 10 years and this is the 1st
time we've ever played together outside of Colorado". A listener
said: "You don't expect to hear this sort of music live, You
expect this to be constructed in the studio". I spoke with Jon
Stubbs, the keyboard guy, and he said it was the first time he
didn't have to "drive to the gig", instead he went to the airport.
What a triumph!
Then Gordon Beck didn't play, instead RICHARD SINCLAIR did
a solo impromptu set, which has been maligned in other reviews,
but it was the highlight of the entire festival for me.. He
noodled around with several songs, completing none, and it was
like hanging out in his living-room listening to him screw around
with ideas, some worked, some didn't. He brought tears to my eyes
when he toyed with "OH CAROLINE' and "OH WHAT A LONELY
LIFETIME". I considered staying home and missing the
afternoon show; I would've missed my fave set of the fest. Seems
like a lot of reviewers just don't like singing; well, guess what,
most listeners prefer singing to instrumentals. I know, I'm a
singer. I still listen to Robert Wyatt, but Soft Machine became
boring after RW left.
Then Phreeworld. Any band that spells an "f" sound
with a ""ph" is bullshit up front to me. Then they started
playing, and talking @ Tarot cards, and I left, as did a bunch of
other folks.
Sat. Eve., after visiting the Virginia Inn down the
street, KOPECKY played. Did someone say "posing"?I wasted my
buzz on this band.
Then more RICHARD SINCLAIR w/ DAVID REES-WILLIAMS,
just fine, but I actually preferred the disjointed solo set.
SOFTWARE: Stunning, all around.
Sun. Afternoon:
STINKHORN: Sorry, guys, I slept in. Arrived to hear
David Rees-Williams playing "Blues Rondo ala Turk", which was just
wonderful, a nice surprise.
Then AZIGZA. Very interesting, but I'm not rushing out to
buy albums. You folks need hooks, if ya get my drift.
PHIL MILLER'S IN CAHOOTS: Great playing, but again, where
are the hooks? Maybe I was just tired of listening to brilliant
music.
UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS: Daevid Allen pulls out all stops,
finishing with excellent ending. His whole band is superb. Josh
Pollock rocks no end!!! Then Kevin Ayers comes out to put us all
to bed. Finally everybody comes down to do the "Oh Caroline"
ending. I go home happy and silly. Thanks, Jerry and everyone...
Christopher Clow
cosmocasablanca@earthlink.net
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From: GHodges223@aol.com
Subject: Seattle Festival
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:01:13 EDT
Fine music in the Northwest- I drove up from California-
My favorites (though all were enjoyable), were In Cahoots
(positively brilliant), Pip Pyle's Bash (Patrice Meyer is very
skilled, Fred Baker and Pip Pyle an enourmous force, and Alex
McGuire muscular keyboard work with plenty of body language),
Hughscore (melancholic complex, yet repetitive riffs - beautiful),
and Software (fine playing - Allan Holdsworth's playing was imbued
with his unique style, Marshall destroyed his kit, Elton Dean's
playing was solid, as I knew it would be, Hugh Hopper played very
differently in this band - truly versatile).
The local and US bands were interesting - Hamster Theatre
was brilliant, Stinkhorn and Glass were very interesting and
skilled, Kopecky were enjoyable in their complicated heavy
metal and off-the-wall comments, Azigza with their burning bundles
of incense and Eastern sounding modes/ colorful robes and exotic
dancing were very amusing (it was hilarious when the lights came
up, to compare the radical stage scene with the straight looking
audience - kind of like Neil Young rocking out in long hair and
torn jeans in front of an audience of stock market traders in
suits... keep on rockin' in the free world. I missed Phreeworld,
incidentally. Figuring out Seattle's downtown crowds, one-way
streets and parking garage prices were a bit much.
Richard Sinclair provided the much needed soft melody to
counteract the hard aggression of the younger (with some
exceptions) bands. His work with David Rees-Williams on piano was
great. (Rees-Williams played a solo set handling Dave Brubeck and
Freddie Hubbard tunes - impressive playing). Nice to hear Richard
Sinclair on bass too.
Daevid Allen and University of Errors (with and without
Kevin Ayers) was very interesting as well - a new song from Kevin
Ayers (so new he had a note to guide him). The band was
solid and pointed lyrically. Very different from some of the more
abstract and purely musical of the Canterbury groups. Sarcastic
and funny/energetic... different.
In Cahoots was absolutely amazing- Phil Miller's
playing is stunning - from very complex, unique chord changes
pushing/driving the big band thru the well-composed charts, to
brilliant solos all over the fretboard - he really flew. The
band was great, the new drummer had "BUGGER" on his T-shirt and
played with anchoring energy.
The sense of humor was a joy - at one point Elton Dean and
Jim Dvorak (seated in front of Pete Lemer on keyboards) between
songs, were joking about (I could only catch a bit of it) "what if
everyone in the world was smarter than you", sort of implying that
situation to Pete, who dropped his sheet music... He picked it up
and put it back on the music stand, paused with a look like (now
watch this...), then aligned the pages, shuffling exactly and
moved them a centimeter to the right, until they were in the new
perfect position. All the time the two critics would never
look at Lemer, and Lemer would never look directly at them.
This was enormously funny. Later at the end, when flowers were
given to Phil Miller at the end of the set, Dvorak threatened to
water them by blowing out his trumpet spittle on them. Phil Miller
had to warn him that he'd better not.These people are true
characters... and serious musicians. Fred Baker's playing was all
over the stage... supportive at all times. I was very glad to be
able to see In Cahoots in the US.
Pip Pyle's Bash was equally great - Patrice Meyer's
playing was solidly musical - building solos so logically, yet
free in his loosening up of his musical instinct. It was
like watching a finely-meshed gear-shifting throughout the whole
set - He could step up or step back and support- going thru all
the chord changes and rhythms with great skill and genuine love of
the music-a very valuable player in the finest of the Canterbury
ways. The whole band was great- I hope they record- Pip Pyle and
Fred Baker are a true force. Alex MacGuire (whom I had never heard
of ) was impressive on the organ.
All in all a great festival- though exhausting.
Strange that the Canterbury Festival has none of these
musicians... though probably not that surprising with the UK
government mimicking US at every step - it must be very difficult
for these musicians in the 21st century. Hopefully they will be
able to push for healthier world behaviors through their artistic
constructions. A lot of the music at this festival contributes
greatly to make life worthwhile.
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From: Jonny Greene <jonny@planetgong.co.uk>
Subject: Go Fifth and Errorize!
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:26:36 +0100
Okay here are the facts of the matter. The promoter of the
London University of Errors gig is getting cold feet because in
his opinion there are not enough tickets being booked and is
seriously considering cancelling the gig. Which would be a
disaster for everyone - not least the London audience which will
almost certainly never get the chance to see this most wonderful
of bands again.
Now we all know that Gong and related bands do get healthy
audiences, it's just that they don't necessarily book in advance.
So if you are toying with the idea of seeing the band in London -
book a ticket NOW/TODAY or there may be nothing to see on Tuesday
8th at the Garage in Islington.
Telephone booking: 020 7344 0044
Online booking: http://www.meanfiddler.com
If you live too far away to go to this gig (Siberia for
example) but have a friend in or near London who you think would
like it then please e-mail them. I have seen the band 3 times now
- it is great - totally unlike any other Daevid show you will have
ever seen - (except just maybe if you saw the original Soft
Machine at the Middle Earth in 66/67 or the first Floating Anarchy
tour in 77 - perhaps). I despair at the thought that one of the
most exciting Gong related bands for years may cease to
exist - everybody who sees them totally loves it!
If you need further proof the band's sheer power to amaze
then please read the totally unsolicited e-mail below which I
received this morning from original Here & Now/Planet
Gong drummer Kif Kif .
Hi jonny,
Just mailing to say that the UofE gig at Glastonbury
Assembly Rooms was sensational! It was one of the very best gigs
I've ever seen, and I've seen some dam fine ones over the
last 30 years.
message to all humans - what ever you do GET TO A
UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS GIG BEFORE THE CURRENT TOUR ENDS!!! or
wait another half decade or so before the chance to
experience raw musical excitement this powerful comes round
again. man, it was so hot! strong and streamin' mate, or what!?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou boys,
love
kifkif
I leave it in your hands - t'will be what t'will be
peace
jonny
url: http://www.planetgong.co.uk
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: check out the 'Concerts' page of CALYX]
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==> Daevid ALLEN & UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS
<================================
Oct 06 - WOLVERHAMPTON, Robin 2 [also: The Electric
Prunes] / Oct 07 - BRIGHTON, Concorde 2 [also: The Electric
Prunes] / Oct 08 - LONDON, The Garage [also: Richard Sinclair]
==> Daevid ALLEN & Graham CLARK
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Nov 06 - BUXTON, Old Clubhouse [not UoE, just DA &
Graham Clark] / Nov 07 - MANCHESTER, Night & Day [not UoE,
just DA & Graham Clark] / Nov 08 - LEICESTER, International
Art Centre [not UoE, just DA & Graham Clark]
==> Kevin AYERS
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Oct 22 - SHEFFIELD, Boardwalk / Oct 23 - BRIERLY HILL,
Robin Hood / Oct 25 - POOLE, Mr. Kyps / Oct 26 - SOUTHAMPTON, The
Brook / Oct 27 - LEEDS, The Roscoe / Nov 02 - LONDON, The
Borderline / Nov 05 - CHESTER, Telfords Warehouse
==> CARAVAN
<============================================================
Nov 02 - ROTHERHAM, Oakwood Technical College / Nov 03 -
CREWE, The Limelight / Nov 07 - SOUTHAMPTON, The Brook / Nov 09 -
GREAT MALVERN, The Fringe Theatre / Nov 13 - BRISTOL, Fleece &
Firkin / Nov 14 - WOLVERHAMPTON, Robin 2 / Nov 28 - LONDON,
Astoria [support: Focus]
Nov 23-27 - EUROPEAN DATES (tba)
Line-up: Pye Hastings, Dave Sinclair, Richard Coughlan,
Geoff Richardson,
Doug
Boyle, Jim Leverton, Simon Bentall
==> John GREAVES
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Nov 08 - ARGENTEUIL [nr Paris] (France), Cave Dimiere
"ROXONGS" trio with Jeff Morin (guitar) & Manuel
Denizet (drums)
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GIGS...
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==> MAGMA
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Oct 11 - FRIBOURG (Switzerland), Le Fri-Son / Oct 12 -
GENEVA (Switzerland), Le Mad / Oct 14 - WARSAW (Poland), tbc / Oct
17 - TOULOUSE (France), tbc / Oct 18 - MONTAUBAN or BERGERAC
(France), tbc / Oct 25 - RIS-ORANGIS [nr Paris] (France), Le Plan
/ Oct 28 - TROYES (France), Nuit Champagne (tbc) / Nov 05-06 -
COUSTELET (France), La Gare / Nov 07 - MONTPELLIER (France),
Victoire 2 / Nov 08 - TOULON (France), tbc / Nov 09 - NICE
(France), Théatre Lino Ventura / Nov 15 - MAGNY-LES-HAMEAUX
(France), Estaminet / Nov 16 - ALENCON (France), La Luciole / Nov
22 - FESTIVAL DE LA COTE D'OPALE (France) / Nov 23 -
MAGNY-LE-HONGRE (France), File 7 / Nov 27 - PRAGUE (Czech Rep.),
tbc / Dec 04 - ST.ETIENNE (France), Halle C / Dec 05 - LYON
(France), venue tba / Dec 06 - ANNECY (France), Le Brise-Glace /
Dec 08 - QUIMPER (France), Festival Aprem Jazz (tbc) / Dec 20 -
ST.NAZAIRE (France), venue tba / Dec 21 - RENNES (France), Salle
de la Cité
Line-up: Christian Vander, Stella Vander, Emmanuel Borghi,
Philippe
Bussonnett, James McGaw, Isabelle Feuillebois,
Antoine
Paganotti, Himiko Paganotti
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