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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: :: :: - WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? - :: :: The Weekly Digest for Canterbury Music Addicts :: :: Issue # 11 :: :: Saturday, July 13th, 1996 :: :: :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Bloom <MHB@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Subject: Bands that sound like... Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 19:34:50 EDT The first Aqsak Maboul album, "Onze Danses pour Combattre la Migraine", hassome remarkably Hatfieldish parts. So does the one record I've heard by agroup called Cos, which was Marc Hollander's band before he formed Aqsak.Amusingly, once Aqsak acquired some genuine Canterbury blood (Fred Frithand Chris Cutler play on "Un Peu de l'Ame des Bandits"), they no longersounded anything like it. (Hollander later played keyboards for the Art Bears tour.) My vague recollection of the first Samla Mammas Manna record, before theyhad a guitarist, was a Soft Machine-like sound circa Volume Two, without Hugh Hopper's prominent bass lines. But I could be wrong. [I don't think you are - furthermore Coste Apetrea's sound on "Maltid"is also fairly close to that of Phil Miller, although of course Phil'ssound is unimitable. Apetrea's displays an evident blues influence whileIMHO Miller's sound is really his own, no jazz or blues cliches of any kind in it ! - A.L.] And I'm positive I've heard music by Brazilian maniac jazz composerHermeto Pascoal that has certain similarities, but as I'm only just beginning to learn that stuff, I don't know any titles. [I too noticed certain similarities between Pascoal and Hatfield, ofcourse because of his use of the Fender Rhodes electric piano and some similarly crazy rhythmic structures ! - A.L.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David G. Shaw" <dshaw@tiac.net> Subject: Re: Flute on Brujo Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 23:20:06 -0000 >It's interesting - indeed Jimmy's involvement with National Health>before the first album (March/April 1977) - and a few gigs in 1977 with>Richard Sinclair and a wind quintet that also comprised Lindsay Cooper ->was never mentioned, . I can't see who else than Jimmy Hastings it>may have been... Too bad he wasn't there at the sessions where "A Legend>In His Own Lunchtime" (a/k/a "Binoculars") was recorded... It's really >not as good without the flute solo ! - A.L Could it have been Jeremy Baines or Geoff Leigh? [I thought they'd only worked with Hatfield, not National Health. But thenI mentioned a wind QUINTET, so apart from Hastings and Cooper... who was inthat quintet ? Anyway, I'm pretty sure the flute solo you mention was played by Jimmy Hastings - A.L.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken4sid@aol.com Subject: Canterbury Discography Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 04:25:59 -0400 The group QUIET SUN (with P.Manzanera,Eno,Biddolph) isn't on your lists. ifyou never heard it your in for a treat! Also Manzanera's 401 group did somegood music too.I've been a fan of this vein of music since 1976. Enjoy yourweb site! It's the only way i can know what music i missed! [Thanks for reminding me of this band - although Rick Biddulph was nevera member of that band... Nor was Brian Eno actually, although he guestedon the album. Manzanera was the guitar player, Dave Jarrett the drummer,Bill McCormick the bass player and Charles Hayward the drummer. Never heard 801 (not 401), what does it sound like ? - A.L.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Brower <tonyb@interport.net (remove this garbage to mail me)> Subject: Canturbury Midis? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Anyone know of any Canterbury midis? Closest I've ever come to hearinganything like this is a Gentle Giant midi I d/l today and King Crimson's"Frame by Frame" which is on the net (and REALLY well done). Wish theperson who transcribed that one to midi would do some Hatfield or some National Health. BTW, is this a nostalgia wave for Canterbury music or has this level of interest been maintained from the start? Tony Brower ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Melton <Jeffrey_Melton@hysoft.com> Subject: More Missing Pieces? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:07:44 -0400 Very cool getting some dialogue going on the new/old National Health. I hadbeen lucky enough to get a copy from Dave a few years ago after writing aletter to him saying 1:36 of Paracelsus was not enough! I put on my bestnegotiating hat and tried to tempt him with buying him a pint of local (SanFrancisco) micro-brew for a copy of the tape. Later, after missing anopportunity to meet at Cyberfest in Pasadena, I got a copy sent to me directly: it made my day to say the least! [I don't think you should have sweated so much : Mr. Stewart is apparentlya very helpful person. I for one didn't have to go through too much nego-ciation to get my tape of "Archive" recordings. I even remember reading astatement of his in "Facelift" (the excellent Canterbury zine from England)saying he'd given a DAT copy to a guy who could do copies to anyone whoasked for one ! A very intelligent attitude IMHO, because anyone who has the tape will ALSO buy the CD anyway ! - A.L.] My question is this : aren't there several more missing tracks which could beincluded in this release? For example, Nat'l Health complete also mentions aGowen composition entitled, Trident Asleep which I have on tape from LondonSchool of Economics 76? (and missing an ill Amanda Parsons). A very good track. [... And very good sound ? Apparently, no good quality live recordings ofNational Health were available to the compilers, that's why they used veryshort excerpts of some. Yet in his autobiography Dave Stewart said the soundquality of the two bonus live tracks rec. in France on Hatfield's "Afters"was awful, yet it is good enough for me - I'd gladly take more of the same stuff ! - A.L.] Also there are the other parts of Borogoves which appear on another tape from77 ( the style is very similar to that of the new disc). And while we're atit... Why not a complete live show from '79 with Gowen? I have a few tapes ofthese as well: and they include Pip's unreleased song Seven Sisters whichis to be included on his solo album if it ever gets completed! And...whyhasn't Virgin seen fit to release the first Gilgamesh on Caroline either? I guess I got ramped up a bit! Maybe I need to write Dave a letter after reviewing the new disc. [I also have a tape of a '79 show. I don't know which song is "Seven Sisters"but I remember one of the tracks being sung by John Greaves, and I'd assumedit was one of his compositions. Is it the one you're talking about ? - A.L.] Jeff Melton, Staff writer for Expose... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Nolan" <YESmanONradio@msn.com> Subject: CARAVAN/CANTERBURY Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 03:36:25 UT HELLO! My name is Charlie Nolan. I've been a fan of Caravan's since 1975.the lasttime I saw them live was the Cunning Stunts album tour! I was at the Phila show for Caravan/Wishbone Ash tour 74 (or was it 75?).From what I remember it was a good show. A lot of what is on the Caravan"Best of Live" (Kingdom) was played. I do recall that the punkweed we filled our pipes with was rather potent! I also work at a radio station in Pemberton, N.J. (WBZC 88.9 FM).On Sat nights 10-2am, we play progressive rock, including Caravan. I mayhave been the first one to play "The Battle Of Hastings" over here! How is the new/old Caravan album ("All Over You") ? Also, that Geoff Richardson-Jim Leverton album, any good? [Anyone heard it ? The only mention I saw of it was in Manfred Bress's"Canterbury Nachrichten", the excellent German Cant-zine - A.L.] PS I will be in England on Aug 2-13th. Any shows worth going to? I will also be going to Canterbury while we are there.Can you give any info on Canterbury music scenes currently ? Do you know Pye Hastings address?! [The only addresses that are available to the general public are those ofRichard Sinclair (24, Roper Road) and Hugh Hopper (40, Martyrs Field Rd.)although I understand Hugh has now moved to Paris - like Pip Pyle, JohnGreaves and (part time) Elton Dean !... You can also visit David Sinclairat his piano-repairing shop in Herne Bay, "Avenue Pianos" - A.L.] Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose.Douglas@turner.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:56:03 -0400 Subject: (none) Hi y'all, Just found a Robert Wyatt CD in the budget bin of a shop notorious fornot having any decent prog music (Atlanta, Georgia is notorious forthat, period). The CD is called "mid-eighties" and it was onlyUS$4.00. CD consists of 18 tracks. Tracks 1-4 are from "Work in Progress", tracks 5 and 6 were on the b-side version of"Shipbuilding", track 7 is from the "Artists for Animals-TheLiberator" CD, track 8 from "ReR Quarterly Collection Vol. 2" and tracks 9 -18 from "Old Rottenhat".Now I've to hurry home to give the CD a listen (and I've hours to go). Never know what one can find out there, only reason I went to thisshop is because my boss gave me a gift certificate from there forChristmas. Knowing of their "great" selection I hadn't ventured to go. While there I also got "THRaKaTTaK", the only other decent thing theyhad there that I didn't have. Actually was hoping to find Caravan's"Battle of Hastings" (haven't bought anything after "Better by Far" andgot curious) or Steve Hackett's "Blues with a Feeling", but NO SUCH LUCK! BTW, anybody know where I can get Phil Miller CD's? Ordered "Cuttingboth Ways" from Cuneiform Records eons ago and never got it. [Over to you, Steve... Is it deleted ? - A.L.] Best, Jose ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigbang@alpes-net.fr (A. Leroy) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:09:03 +0000 Subject: CALYX updates / Canterbury Discography It's been a while since I haven't worked on the main CALYX pages. I planto fill a few gaps in the next few days, so keep checking it : Egg, Gong, Henry Cow, Soft Machine are the major projects. I have also done major amendments to the Canterbury Discography, notablyin the Fred Frith and Daevid Allen/Gilli Smyth sections. This was donemostly thanks to various on- or offline sources. My requests for info havebeen largely ignored, which leads me to think that most of the easilyavailable info is already in the discography... or that only a few peoplehave actually visited these pages. Once again, everyone's help will be useful. We've already gone a long way !... Aymeric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF ISSUE #11 _________________________________________________________________________WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? - WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? - WHAT'S RATTLIN' ?_________________________________________________________________________ CALYX - The Canterbury Website http://www.alpes-net.fr/~bigbang/calyx.html THE ULTIMATE ONLINE CANTERBURY DISCOGRAPHY http://www.alpes-net.fr/~bigbang/cantdisco.html Send all correspondence regarding 'CALYX' and 'WHAT'S RATTLIN' ?' to : bigbang@alpes-net.fr _________________________________________________________________________